Evolution:True or False

[experiment626]

Just as the title says,is The Theory Of Evolution just that: A Theory? Does the Bible explain the true nature of the creation of Earth and life on it?

[Wrangler3383]

Darwin is the man!

[Steve.G]

Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

[Wrangler3383]

Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Care to explain?

[Steve.G]

Care to explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
This law states that in an isolated system, there will always be an increasing level of entropy. Now, we know (the 1st law of thermodynamics) that matter can not be created or destroyed. It can only change form. And we know that energy and matter are one and the same (Einstein anyone?). So..

The conventional theory of how our universe came to exist starts off with all matter, all life everywhere being the result of essentially nothing. The big bang happened when an incredibly dense grouping of matter one day just decided to explode. Where did that matter come from? Why did it explode?

The 2nd law states that everything is moving toward entropy. That is to say, everything is getting worse. The sun is cooling off, the process of desertification converts land into desert (yes, deserts grow), things are getting worse continually. Evolution states that everything is getting better. Through the course of time, it claims that all species are moving toward a higher form. Do you see where this is going?

Either the laws of thermodynamics as we know them are wrong, or the theory of evolution and the origins of the universe are wrong. The two do not agree with one another.

Furthermore, can anyone give me any kind of proof. I mean scientific proof of any species anywhere ever evolving? What species on earth has gone through even minute evolutionary changes?

I'm not one to call someone foolish for believing something like this. I have very strong faith in what the Bible says, and likewise, people have very strong faith in this religion called evolution. I just see that science backs up the Bible.

[Wrangler3383]

Thank you for your insight. Very interesting, though I tend to believe that our current scientific laws hold us back and must be changed over time as science via observation and experimentation permit.

[Steve.G]

It's possible that they may eventually change, but believe me I don't base my disbelief in the evolutionary theory solely on one concept like thermodynamics. There is a lot of evidence out there for creation.

[braindead5400]

Technically the whole "entropy" thing is completely separate from evolution. The ability for animals to evolve does not conflict with that idea bceause it is applied to the molecular level, not the general level. Also, it isn't better/worse, its ordered/disordered.

Evolution states that animals can and will change over time in order to adapt to their habitat, that's what natural selection is. The changing genetic expression of a species has nothing to do with the disorder the species causes on a molecular level (by simply being alive it causes more disorder through eating and various other functions any living creature performs).

It's basically the expenditure of energy. Energy is organized in the universe in a certain manner but certain processes change that energy and make it more disordered. The energy within the sun can pretty much be found anywhere. It goes from the sun to plants, to animals and the animals expel that energy into their environment. That organized energy that was in the sun has thus been disorganized and scattered throughout our planet (and the universe). Technically, the energy of the sun is being used right now by my body as I type this, although it is energy that has been changed around many times.

[Steve.G]

Very good points, I guess the entropy point applies more to the ability for the earth to have existed as long as scientists say it has. It goes back to the time necessary for evolution to have taken place. Either way, things are getting worse, not better as time goes on. Again, let me ask you to cite any example of evolution at all. Adaptations I am fine with, making news breeds of dogs is of course possible, but they are still dogs. That's common sense. Changing kinds of animals has never been proven because it doesn't happen.

I appreciate the intelligent response, and you'll have to remember that I'm by no means a scientist or an expert, but I will do my best to keep up. ;) I actually like having some intelligent conversation on the topic.

[frail]

I think evolution fits in quite nicely with a more liberal interpretation of Genesis.

[EPVQ30]

i'll have to go with the scientists on this one

[eimajuno]

Evolution makes more sense than what the religious call "Intelligent Design". I'm sorry, but there is no fucking way that this earth was created in 7 days.

[Steve.G]

So it's more reasonable that matter came from nowhere...in complete chaos... and somehow formed into something ordered and functional? I can't buy evolution because it doesn't make any sense.

[frail]

Evolution makes more sense than what the religious call "Intelligent Design". I'm sorry, but there is no fucking way that this earth was created in 7 days.

I don't believe in 7 days taken literally. I believe each "day" was a period of time.