Why is that Americans think you are Anti American if you dont like guns?

[orangejello727]

Everytime there is a debate on guns / gun control.. the americans give you the sentiment that you are anti american because you dont like guns.

The fact is, in Canada we do not / nor are we allowed to carry a gun to go grocery shopping. First off we dont fear for our lives everywhere we go. Secondly we dont need people running around brandishing guns to eithe intimidate nor taunt others.

Because we choose to be gun free and live amongst the same value doesnt make us any less than our american neighbors who feel the need to drive in tanks and carry guns inorder to feel safe.

On the other board I asked a simple question that seems to always go unanswered.

What is the different in purpose/intent or anything else between carrying a hand gun vs a missle launcher on my back? Can any one who disagrees with me on them having the same values please explain to me why they arent the same??

[Hans Moleman]

I'm Canadian and just because guns need to be registered doesn't mean things are always safe, my town has a higher crime rate than most of the rest of Canada.. I've been mugged before, but I still feel okay

I don't know about the anti-American thing towards guns, I'm thinking it's an idea that the social Conservative Republicans implanted in the heads of the citizens

http://www.tirislom.com/img/get-a-brain-morans.jpg

[Kohkane]

Im assuming the Americans you are talking about are "Red necks" No offense to anyone..its just that most people think guns are needed in America or else... YOUR NOT AMERICAN! hell..most people who say that cant read above a 8th grade level and if you can...then your messed up in the head...but hey..this is just my opinion. Flame me if u want

[Deke218]

Because we are a society built on the premise that all men are killers. It was started that way and it's should remain that way.

Ever notice that those same assholes who say, "You can take my gun over my dead body" quote the constitution for giving them this right yet will shut you down for expressing your right to free speech, freedom of religion, etc.

[CNFD]

What is the different in purpose/intent or anything else between carrying a hand gun vs a missle launcher on my back? Can any one who disagrees with me on them having the same values please explain to me why they arent the same??

Handguns and rifles have a few purposes. RPGs have one. To blow shit up.

To defend handguns, they serve a few purposes. First off, hand guns can be used in hunting. My buddy has a ranch in Texas and when he goes bird hunting he has to carry a handgun because there are wild boars that live on his land and are very vicious when they are startled. Second, handguns are used in self-defense. There is not great of a chance of collateral damage when trying to protect yourself of family/friends/innocent civilians/etc as there would be using a RPG instead using a handgun.

RPG's only have one purpose. They are used to blow shit up. There is no good reason that non-military persons would need an RPG. They are very hard to aim (says my military friend) and are just far too dangerous for the public to have access to. While one could try to cite needing an RPG for self-defense, the truth is that while you might hit the intended target, you would also blow up half of the city block in trying to do so, harming innocent people and destroying all the surrounding property.

I will agree with you though with the notion that anti-gun people in the US are thought of as non-american. This probably stems from the fact that its in our Constitution as well as a majority of the US grew up with guns in their house whether they were for protection or recreational purposes.

If you want to debate someone who feels very strongly about gun-rights then contact BigCal on Hofo.

[fonebrkr]

I personally LOVE guns, but I also think you're a fuckin punk, if you feel the need to pack in a grocery store. Kinda like getting a pitbull and walking it on a chain.
You do have a point, the most vocal gun rights people seem to be the ones you'd never trust with a gun around your family.

[CNFD]

You do have a point, the most vocal gun rights people seem to be the ones you'd never trust with a gun around your family.
I completely agree with you. From personal experience I have found that some of the most responsible gun owners have a CCW and don't go around advertising that they are carrying.

The problem with banning guns at this point in time is that new laws prohibiting guns wont prevent or deter criminals from acquiring them. When you pass new gun laws, they mostly just affect the law abiding citizens, not the criminals who the laws are meant for.

[orangejello727]

My whole comparison between a hand gun vs a RPG was more to point out that both are weapons used for offensive pressure. Guns and rpgs alike are meant to kill and not defend persay. Especially in society.

A few years back, I heard a story. I dont remember if it was word of mouth or an article. But this man walks into a gas station with a concealed weapon. He was a legal gun owner. No priors, never been arrested or anything else. Just an upstanding citizen. He grabs a few things from the gas station store he needs and his concealed weapon happens to show just as the clerk looks at him. The clerk gets scared and thinks the man was going to either kill and rob him or whatever. As the man walks up to the counter to pay for his items..the clerk pulls out a gun from under the counter and shoots the man in the chest. The man died.

Whether or not the store was true, I think just carrying a gun would create problems. Honestly, If I saw you walking down the street and noticed you had a gun on you, Id think you were going to do something bad.

[NxJ]

To be honest, i blame the rednecks. And im not joking...

I went to HS in a small, farm town. I was part of the few that hated hunting. Everyone thought i was some PETA hippy bullshit. Truth be told, i think its kinda gay when a bunch of guys go to the woods, alone, and sit... yeah...

HOWEVER, i have no issues with owning guns. Hell im looking into getting one sometime this year.

[EPVQ30]

you have the right to bear arms.
not a privilege, but a right!

[NxJ]

Amen.

[JwY]

I can understand what you're saying, but not all Americans are like that. There are quite of few who are against it. I think a lot of it does stem from their tradition however since it is in their constitution.

[orangejello727]

you have the right to bear arms.
not a privilege, but a right!


That was written way back when you had the right to own slaves and lynch racial minorities. Just how much relevance does the right to bear arms play in todays society? This isnt the wild west anymore.

[orangejello727]

I can understand what you're saying, but not all Americans are like that. There are quite of few who are against it. I think a lot of it does stem from their tradition however since it is in their constitution.

I apologize. I should have said select pro gun ownership americans. I shouldnt have generalized.

[JwY]

I apologize. I should have said select pro gun ownership americans. I shouldnt have generalized.

I know, although I'm not American. :)

That was written way back when you had the right to own slaves and lynch racial minorities. Just how much relevance does the right to bear arms play in todays society? This isnt the wild west anymore.

That's one of the issues. Change is hard to come buy until there's some big thing that pushes it along. People tend to get set in their ways and hold on to tradition.

[EPVQ30]

That was written way back when you had the right to own slaves and lynch racial minorities. Just how much relevance does the right to bear arms play in todays society? This isnt the wild west anymore.


it was written way back way, and it is still very valid today.
it is called the U.S. Constitution.

[CNFD]

it is called the U.S. Constitution.
Maybe some of ya'll have heard of it?

[CNFD]

My whole comparison between a hand gun vs a RPG was more to point out that both are weapons used for offensive pressure. Guns and rpgs alike are meant to kill and not defend persay. Especially in society.

While yes they are meant to kill, handguns are more defensive I would have to say. People who legally carry handguns are meant for defensive purposes only. They are tools that are used in order to help stop those who use guns illegally in order to stop them from hurting other innocent people. RPG's are meant just to harm others (think Iraq) while handguns are used to help protect.

[orangejello727]

While yes they are meant to kill, handguns are more defensive I would have to say. People who legally carry handguns are meant for defensive purposes only. They are tools that are used in order to help stop those who use guns illegally in order to stop them from hurting other innocent people. RPG's are meant just to harm others (think Iraq) while handguns are used to help protect.

RPGs are used to stop others who attack innocent people. Just like a hand gun. You cant change the notion that the only purpose a hand gun provides is to kill. Its an offensive weapon.

Dont forget.. You dont aim and fire a hand gun out of defense. You wear a bullet proof vest inorder to defend. People need to figure out the definition of Defense vs Offense. A gun is an offenseive weapon. A bullet proof vest is a defensive object.

A grenade, RPG, handgun and whatever else is out there. They do not defend. They infact cause more problems. It makes people want to become violent. You have no reason to carry a gun around with you. You dont own nor represent the law. You cant just take the law into your own hands and kill a man. That would make you a criminal yourself. Of course this is just my opinion so please dont get all angry because I have one.

As for the Constitution?? Amendments have been made to the Constitution itself right from the beginning. So telling me its inbedded in stone that you have the right to bear arms is just comical. It can be changed just like the last 30 changes they have made to that charting.

The Bill of Rights also prohibits Congress from making any law respecting establishment of religion and yet the US govt promotes Christianity in everything it does. Yet you never see a person ever challenge that. Yet when someone brings up the fact that the right to bear arms is centuries old and we have no reason to kill or be killed anymore that we should change it?

What are people afraid of? Losing their firearms or getting tagged in a National ID card?

[Meet Lucas]

Truth be told, i think its kinda gay when a bunch of guys go to the woods, alone, and sit... yeah...

Now, are you going to grow up?

It's the people, not the gun. If I want someone dead, they're going to be dead, whether it's done by a gun or not.

[orangejello727]

Now, are you going to grow up?

It's the people, not the gun. If I want someone dead, they're going to be dead, whether it's done by a gun or not.

So why not use logic?? Take a weapon away and it gives him even less oppurtunity to kill.

Its like sitting there and saying that we should stop crackheads from using drugs while you dangle a rock infront of him and expect him to do nothing.

[Meet Lucas]

So why not use logic?? Take a weapon away and it gives him even less oppurtunity to kill.

Its like sitting there and saying that we should stop crackheads from using drugs while you dangle a rock infront of him and expect him to do nothing.

Sure, it gives less opportunity, but as long as there is still opportunity, it's still going to happen, whether it's a gun or not.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[JwY]

RPGs are used to stop others who attack innocent people. Just like a hand gun. You cant change the notion that the only purpose a hand gun provides is to kill. Its an offensive weapon.

Dont forget.. You dont aim and fire a hand gun out of defense. You wear a bullet proof vest inorder to defend. People need to figure out the definition of Defense vs Offense. A gun is an offenseive weapon. A bullet proof vest is a defensive object.

A grenade, RPG, handgun and whatever else is out there. They do not defend. They infact cause more problems. It makes people want to become violent. You have no reason to carry a gun around with you. You dont own nor represent the law. You cant just take the law into your own hands and kill a man. That would make you a criminal yourself. Of course this is just my opinion so please dont get all angry because I have one.

As for the Constitution?? Amendments have been made to the Constitution itself right from the beginning. So telling me its inbedded in stone that you have the right to bear arms is just comical. It can be changed just like the last 30 changes they have made to that charting.

The Bill of Rights also prohibits Congress from making any law respecting establishment of religion and yet the US govt promotes Christianity in everything it does. Yet you never see a person ever challenge that. Yet when someone brings up the fact that the right to bear arms is centuries old and we have no reason to kill or be killed anymore that we should change it?

What are people afraid of? Losing their firearms or getting tagged in a National ID card?

I think you're better off using a taser as an example rather than the vest.

[orangejello727]

Sure, it gives less opportunity, but as long as there is still opportunity, it's still going to happen, whether it's a gun or not.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

So by your logic... why even register guns? WHy not let people buy guns as freely as they buy milk? I mean its people that kill and not guns right?

Believe me..by taking away guns from society..it would make it harder to kill. Im not saying killing would stop.. but Guns do kill people at the end of the day. Let me drive a tank with missles then. Because honestly its people that kill people.. not RPGs, Missle launcherse, tanks, grenades and Nuclear bombs right?

At the end of the day...it takes a person to kill. But it also takes a weapon to kill as well. 2 things 1 objective. Take one away and u have less chances to kill.

[orangejello727]

I think you're better off using a taser as an example rather than the vest.


A taser has been noted to kill people (Vancouver incident). A taser is still an offensive weapon in my opinion. It may not kill but its still used as a weapon rather than defense.

[Himself™]

A taser has been noted to kill people (Vancouver incident).

Tasers don't kill people, people kill people ;)

[Meet Lucas]

So by your logic... why even register guns? WHy not let people buy guns as freely as they buy milk? I mean its people that kill and not guns right?

Believe me..by taking away guns from society..it would make it harder to kill. Im not saying killing would stop.. but Guns do kill people at the end of the day. Let me drive a tank with missles then. Because honestly its people that kill people.. not RPGs, Missle launcherse, tanks, grenades and Nuclear bombs right?

At the end of the day...it takes a person to kill. But it also takes a weapon to kill as well. 2 things 1 objective. Take one away and u have less chances to kill.

You're taking everything too far out of context. We're talking about a handgun or a rifle, not a tank. Yes, they should definately have to register a gun, because registration is simply a deterant and the most important objective, a background check.

I'd be willing to bet you're also one of those people who refuse to take blame for anything. You tend to throw blame elsewhere.

Are you going to tell the man living in the middle of nowhere, in Montana, that he can no longer use a gun to shoot his food, because some guy in NYC killed another guy with a gun?

Seriously, think about it.

[GoldWyvern]

because...Americans think one dick is not enough, they want two or more!

[orangejello727]

You're taking everything too far out of context. We're talking about a handgun or a rifle, not a tank. Yes, they should definately have to register a gun, because registration is simply a deterant and the most important objective, a background check.

I'd be willing to bet you're also one of those people who refuse to take blame for anything. You tend to throw blame elsewhere.

Are you going to tell the man living in the middle of nowhere, in Montana, that he can no longer use a gun to shoot his food, because some guy in NYC killed another guy with a gun?

Seriously, think about it.

I dont blame anyone for anything. Its people like you that I dont want having guns. You chant.."I want the right to bear arms" then you go and kill your neighbor and act innocent saying it was out of defense.

Im 32 and ive made it this far without a gun. Why cant you?

[Katya]

Because he can't scare people by being batshit like you?

[mick4394]

The fact is, in Canada we do not / nor are we allowed to carry a gun to go grocery shopping. First off we dont fear for our lives everywhere we go. Secondly we dont need people running around brandishing guns to eithe intimidate nor taunt others.


I don't know anyone in America who's afraid that they're going to get shot at the grocery store, or anywhere else for that matter.

The picture you are painting of America is freakin' hilarious.:lol:

[mick4394]

... and I'll say this. I don't own a gun, probably never will.

However, in America, it's our right. I would not even suggest taking that right away. There are a number of reasons that the right to keep and bear arms is important.

In my opinion, the number one reason is that a society that can't arm itself, cannot defend itself against an out of control government. The right to keep and bear arms is as much about citizens defending themselves against oppressive government as it is anything else.

This is a concept the people who live in societies that favor government have a hard time grasping, and it's getting harder and harder for a lot of Americans to remember how America became America. We weren't always this free.

[Meet Lucas]

I dont blame anyone for anything. Its people like you that I dont want having guns. You chant.."I want the right to bear arms" then you go and kill your neighbor and act innocent saying it was out of defense.

Im 32 and ive made it this far without a gun. Why cant you?

I'm 24, and haven't hunted a day in my life. I've never owned a gun, and don't see a need for it, because I don't hunt or shoot for leisure. However, I can understand someone wanting one to feel safe or for leisure.

Why, all the sudden, am I the type you don't want having a gun? What did I say? Is it because I defend having one?

[djdownhill]

I Love This Thread.....:lol:

[Meet Lucas]

In my opinion, the number one reason is that a society that can't arm itself, cannot defend itself against an out of control government. The right to keep and bear arms is as much about citizens defending themselves against oppressive government as it is anything else.

This is a concept the people who live in societies that favor government have a hard time grasping, and it's getting harder and harder for a lot of Americans to remember how America became America. We weren't always this free.

What?! You mean we can't just talk our way out of everything like Canadian's seem to think!? :rolleyes:

[orangejello727]

Because he can't scare people by being batshit like you?


thats the ONLY purpose a gun has. Its to intimidate other people. Exactly how criminals use a gun.

If you feel the need to "Pack Yo Gat" to go grocery shopping or buy some damn slurpy at your local Macs..then yes you deserve to be shot "Out of self defense" because according to these gun weilding people, you are a "Threat and they are shooting you in self defense" just for carrying a weapon!

[orangejello727]

I'm 24, and haven't hunted a day in my life. I've never owned a gun, and don't see a need for it, because I don't hunt or shoot for leisure. However, I can understand someone wanting one to feel safe or for leisure.

Why, all the sudden, am I the type you don't want having a gun? What did I say? Is it because I defend having one?

Not because you defend having one... But rather because your poor judgement in pointing a finger at me and thinking you know me.

Imagine you had a gun?? And you judged me to be a threat..and was obviously wrong. You'd probably fill me with lead because you were "Defending" yourself.

Thats the problem. YOu have no right to shoot anyone just like that criminal doesnt. When you shoot and kill someone..you become just like that criminal as you are breaking the same laws he is. Either you follow the law or you dont. You cannot walk around and make it up as we go along.

[orangejello727]

What?! You mean we can't just talk our way out of everything like Canadian's seem to think!? :rolleyes:


Canada doesnt go around dropping bombs on countries to raise the price oil.

Oh by the way.. We also dont kill our neighbor over a cigarette either. I can show you enough examples of irate gun use in the USA. Same with Canada but not at your level.

You might think that im hating on Americans. But look past your shallow thoughts that this world revolves around you for one second to realize..that the ONLY DAMN THING IM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS... that the difference between an Iraqi Carrying an RPG vs an American carrying a gun is location. Both of you have the intent to kill. Otherwise you wouldnt need a weapon. The other difference is.. When an american kills..its self defense. But when an iraqi kills, its terrorism!! LOL to add to that, you are in his country trying to kill him in his own backyard.

[Meet Lucas]

Not because you defend having one... But rather because your poor judgement in pointing a finger at me and thinking you know me.

Imagine you had a gun?? And you judged me to be a threat..and was obviously wrong. You'd probably fill me with lead because you were "Defending" yourself.

Thats the problem. YOu have no right to shoot anyone just like that criminal doesnt. When you shoot and kill someone..you become just like that criminal as you are breaking the same laws he is. Either you follow the law or you dont. You cannot walk around and make it up as we go along.

Now, you're stating that because I missed judged you on a message board, that I'd miss judge you on the street and shoot you? Seriously, you are comparing an apple to an orange. You act as if we can go shoot someone, claim we were defending ourself, and get off with no punishment. You're completely wrong, and until you actually know the truth about America and LIVE here, you should probably keep everything to yourself. You don't live here, and only see what the media has to offer, which like any other country media, is the bad side of the country. What would you do if someone were to break in your house and threaten your family? Talk to them? Grab a knife? Baseball bat?

We'll look at it like this; If guns were illegal, we all know just about anyone would still have access to them, just like they do drugs. If they are illegal, and I'm trying to do the right thing and not buy one illegally, what do I do if someone breaks into my house and threatens my family, and they just so happen to have an illegally purchased gun? Well, looks like I'm shit out of luck.

If you've ever been in a fight, which you probably haven't because you're apparently perfect, when they begin to pound on you, do you fight back or just take it? Did you throw a punch back? Now, same situation, if someone pulled a gun on you, wouldn't you like to have a gun to equal your chances of living?

You're basically saying that someone defending their family and taking action, after a criminal has already fired, is a criminal, when the only thing they were doing is defending what any normal human would protect.

Canada doesnt go around dropping bombs on countries to raise the price oil.

Oh by the way.. We also dont kill our neighbor over a cigarette either. I can show you enough examples of irate gun use in the USA. Same with Canada but not at your level.

You might think that im hating on Americans. But look past your shallow thoughts that this world revolves around you for one second to realize..that the ONLY DAMN THING IM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS... that the difference between an Iraqi Carrying an RPG vs an American carrying a gun is location. Both of you have the intent to kill. Otherwise you wouldnt need a weapon. The other difference is.. When an american kills..its self defense. But when an iraqi kills, its terrorism!! LOL to add to that, you are in his country trying to kill him in his own backyard.

So, now it's my fault because our military bombed another country? Do I agree with the war? No, I don't, now. I did agree at one point, just like every other country, in thinking that Hussein had WMD's. But, like everyone else, I haven't seen proof, and I'm not completely against it.

Who said that the world revolves around us? Once again, no one did. You started the thread about gun use in America, a country you don't live in. YOUR world seems to revolve around America, huh?

Hell, you're even comparing an American to a terrorist. You've really lost your mind.

[mick4394]

Oh by the way.. We also dont kill our neighbor over a cigarette either. I can show you enough examples of irate gun use in the USA. Same with Canada but not at your level.


You're comparing a country of 30 million people to a country of 300 million.

Again, the picture you're painting of America is absolutely freakin' hilarious.:lolup: You have a pretty wild imagination.

[orangejello727]

You're comparing a country of 30 million people to a country of 300 million.

Again, the picture you're painting of America is absolutely freakin' hilarious.:lolup: You have a pretty wild imagination.


http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/ooql_602.asp

Check out the crime rates. Based per captia..therefore your whole population difference doesnt play a factor here. Im going to assume that youll reject these numbers as well.

Cities Homicides Robberies
Baltimore, MD 43.5 638.5
Detroit, MI 42.1 596.2
Washington, DC 35.8 552.3
Atlanta, GA 25.8 724.6
Philadelphia, PA 22.2 657.4
Dallas, TX 20.1 607.5
Miami, FL 17.9 614.5
Chicago, IL 15.5 552.0
Minneapolis, MN 14.1 597.5
San Francisco, CA 11.6 399.9
Boston, MA 10.5 418.6
Vancouver, BC 3.0 149.0
Toronto, ON 2.0 108.5

[mick4394]

You're mistaking my rejection of your thoughts on the matter for caring what you think. Like most Americans, when a Canadian starts acting superior, I laugh.

Americans understand the cost of gun rights. We also understand the cost of taking those rights away. We were an oppressed people, not all that long ago. Our Founding Fathers constructed our Constitution from the standpoint that the people are more important than the government. The founders understood this and they took up arms against an oppressive government to stand up for it.

I wouldn't expect a Canadian to understand something like this, and I really don't care if you do. I'm just giving you the American perspective, and in regards to our Constitution, it's the only one that matters.

[orangejello727]

Are you really going to keep this up?


I see how it works. If i provide proof..you go into an execution of denial and go off topic as if youve been "Schooled".

Ill cut it short and give you the benefit of doubt in being correct..the NO ONE in their right minds shall ever question the Bill of rights. I guess racism and slavery was okay in the 50's and some how we over came that. It took change over time. Because time itself had changed. I guess not for this bill of rights?

You are correct.. "Go on shoot yourselves"

[mick4394]

The fact that you're on a site full of Canadians who aren't rushing to your aid should tell you how weak your arguments are.

[mick4394]

I see how it works. If i provide proof..you go into an execution of denial and go off topic as if youve been "Schooled".

Ill cut it short and give you the benefit of doubt in being correct..the NO ONE in their right minds shall ever question the Bill of rights. I guess racism and slavery was okay in the 50's and some how we over came that. It took change over time. Because time itself had changed. I guess not for this bill of rights?

You are correct.. "Go on shoot yourselves"

You should reread my post. I made some changes while you were constructing this, well thought out, argument.:rolleyes:

[djdownhill]

Daaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm...........orang ejello727.

The whole of the USA is not even colse to what you seem to think it is

I have lived in California my entire 42 years on this earth. I have lived for the most part in the Los Angeles area and have seen/been in/witnessed some pretty Fucked up Shit in my life, but I still do not live in fear. Never have never will. If you have a problem with guns then don't buy one. If others choose to then let them. You have made it seem like every persone here in the US are gun crazed killers hell bent on shooting someone the minute they get the opportunity. Personally speaking. Your wrong.

[orangejello727]

Daaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm...........orang ejello727.

The whole of the USA is not even colse to what you seem to think it is

I have lived in California my entire 42 years on this earth. I have lived for the most part in the Los Angeles area and have seen/been in/witnessed some pretty Fucked up Shit in my life, but I still do not live in fear. Never have never will. If you have a problem with guns then don't buy one. If others choose to then let them. You have made it seem like every persone here in the US are gun crazed killers hell bent on shooting someone the minute they get the opertunity. Personally speaking your wrong.


I have a friend who was shot dead by a 60 yr old gun man. He was coming home around 3am from somewhere, when he was shot by someone on his own street. They claim that he was trying to break into the house. When in fact the house was his. The man is plead neglagence and shouldnt serve any time. A life was lost because someone made a mistake.

I guess it wont affect your life till someone makes that mistake. As sad as it sounds.. maybe people need that to happen to them inorder to realize the ramifications of having guns in our society.

An RPG to a Hand gun is the same thing as a Hand gun to a knife. Its not apple to oranges. its the harsh reality that gun crime is up. And I dont understand why its so hard to phatom at the fact that more guns on the streets leads to larger levels of gun crimes.

As for the statement of other "Canadians" standing up for my belief. I dont need them to. They dont carry guns around with them all because of a bill of right tells them they can. Using the negative approach never works for analogies.

Like I said.. You keep your gun. You shoot whomever you want while thinking you are defending. I just hope im on the jury that puts you away for life for taking the law into your own hands.

[mick4394]

I have a friend who was shot dead by a 60 yr old gun man. He was coming home around 3am from somewhere, when he was shot by someone on his own street. They claim that he was trying to break into the house. When in fact the house was his. The man is plead neglagence and shouldnt serve any time. A life was lost because someone made a mistake.

I guess it wont affect your life till someone makes that mistake. As sad as it sounds.. maybe people need that to happen to them inorder to realize the ramifications of having guns in our society.

An RPG to a Hand gun is the same thing as a Hand gun to a knife. Its not apple to oranges. its the harsh reality that gun crime is up. And I dont understand why its so hard to phatom at the fact that more guns on the streets leads to larger levels of gun crimes.

As for the statement of other "Canadians" standing up for my belief. I dont need them to. They dont carry guns around with them all because of a bill of right tells them they can. Using the negative approach never works for analogies.

Like I said.. You keep your gun. You shoot whomever you want while thinking you are defending. I just hope im on the jury that puts you away for life for taking the law into your own hands.

I'm getting a real kick out of you. The thought of you all red faced, pounding out these messages with that, "I'll show these damn Americans" look on your face, is really making my day.

What else have you got?

[djdownhill]

I guess it wont affect your life till someone makes that mistake. As sad as it sounds.. maybe people need that to happen to them inorder to realize the ramifications of having guns in our society.

Oh really. So now you know me and my life story?

When I was 15 me and my best friend were in the park playing basketball and he want to get some water from the fountain behind the restroom. Some moron walked up to him, shot him in the head dead, walked back to his car and drove away. Never been caught to this day.

So I "do" know the ramifications of guns in ANY society.

So please don't assume you know me. Because you know what they say about when you assume.

[djdownhill]

I'm getting a real kick out of you. The thought of you all red faced, pounding out these messages with that, "I'll show these damn Americans" look on your face, is really making my day.

What else have you got?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdnA9tQ-Fno


Sorry.....I couldn't resist......:D

[mick4394]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdnA9tQ-Fno


Sorry.....I couldn't resist......:D

Man. That kid sure is passionate about gun control. :explosive smiley:

[Meet Lucas]

orangejello727,

Why did you completely overlook my post back on page four?

[CNFD]

orangejello727,

Why did you completely overlook my post back on page four?
Because that was an amazing post and he can't think of anyway to make his reason sound logical compared to that. Great post lucas, I agree 100%.

[orangejello727]

orangejello727,

Why did you completely overlook my post back on page four?

Because you misjudged me. You came to your own conclusion about who and what I am. Imagine you had a handgun. And you misjudged me for a criminal when I really wasnt one. Then you shot me dead because you misjudged me as a threat. Because you owned a gun, you would have killed an innocent person because you (Just like every human) makes mistakes. Your mistake would cost me my life all because you made a mistake and was carrying a gun.

I didnt overlook anything. You proved why we shouldnt have guns in peoples hands. Because Humans make mistakes. I dont want you making a mistake with a gun in your hand.

[orangejello727]

Now, you're stating that because I missed judged you on a message board, that I'd miss judge you on the street and shoot you? Seriously, you are comparing an apple to an orange. You act as if we can go shoot someone, claim we were defending ourself, and get off with no punishment. You're completely wrong, and until you actually know the truth about America and LIVE here, you should probably keep everything to yourself. You don't live here, and only see what the media has to offer, which like any other country media, is the bad side of the country. What would you do if someone were to break in your house and threaten your family? Talk to them? Grab a knife? Baseball bat?

We'll look at it like this; If guns were illegal, we all know just about anyone would still have access to them, just like they do drugs. If they are illegal, and I'm trying to do the right thing and not buy one illegally, what do I do if someone breaks into my house and threatens my family, and they just so happen to have an illegally purchased gun? Well, looks like I'm shit out of luck.

If you've ever been in a fight, which you probably haven't because you're apparently perfect, when they begin to pound on you, do you fight back or just take it? Did you throw a punch back? Now, same situation, if someone pulled a gun on you, wouldn't you like to have a gun to equal your chances of living?

You're basically saying that someone defending their family and taking action, after a criminal has already fired, is a criminal, when the only thing they were doing is defending what any normal human would protect.



So, now it's my fault because our military bombed another country? Do I agree with the war? No, I don't, now. I did agree at one point, just like every other country, in thinking that Hussein had WMD's. But, like everyone else, I haven't seen proof, and I'm not completely against it.

Who said that the world revolves around us? Once again, no one did. You started the thread about gun use in America, a country you don't live in. YOUR world seems to revolve around America, huh?

Hell, you're even comparing an American to a terrorist. You've really lost your mind.


You prove my point every time.

The point that HUMANS make mistakes.

I did agree at one point, just like every other country, in thinking that Hussein had WMD's. But, like everyone else, I haven't seen proof, and I'm not completely against it.

YOU made a mistake. What makes you think you wouldnt make a mistake with a gun? Or anyone else for that matter?
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You're basically saying that someone defending their family and taking action, after a criminal has already fired, is a criminal, when the only thing they were doing is defending what any normal human would protect.

A criminal breaks the law by firing a weapon at a person. That person is injured and the crime is comitted. So now you are justifying taking the law into your own hands to serve punishment for this criminal. And exactly why do we have police officers and the justice system if you are going to go out and serve and protect?? You arent the law. You are there to serve and protect society. If thats the case..then every citizen should have the right to serve law to anyone they feel since you can do it by shooting someone as well.
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If you've ever been in a fight, which you probably haven't because you're apparently perfect, when they begin to pound on you, do you fight back or just take it? Did you throw a punch back? Now, same situation, if someone pulled a gun on you, wouldn't you like to have a gun to equal your chances of living?

Ive been in my fair share of fights. When I fought in my youth, we battled it out and it was over. I threw my punches back. But if someone pulled a gun on me, id give up whatever they wanted. If I pulled a gun and they pulled a gun, you can gaurentee someone is going to get shot. To this day, Ive never been shot and never had a gun pulled on me. One of the reason I feel that this has never happend to me is because Ive never given a person with a gun a reason to shoot me. The mere fact that someone sees you carrying a gun gets them hostile and makes them do things. Look at police officers. If they see you armed and walking around..I guarentee they unholster and take you as a threat. What makes you think the rest of society wouldnt take you as a threat eventho you arent a criminal but rather a lawful gun carrying joe?? Im sure someone who put a bullet in you just for carrying a gun thinking that you have a motive to kill. I mean why else would you carry a gun? Thats how people think.

Go walk into the Eaton Center. Walk around with a gun hanging out of your pants. Lets see how people treat you. Lets see what people do. I guarentee you that you wont be walking around too much longer with a gun on you, because either someone would have called the cops or made sure you couldnt do anything with that gun.

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Who said that the world revolves around us? Once again, no one did. You started the thread about gun use in America, a country you don't live in. YOUR world seems to revolve around America, huh?

Obviously you are either too stupid or to young to understand politics. Let me lay some facts on your virgin arse.

Canada is heavily affected by all US elections, politics and new. Why? Because Canada and US are the largest trading partners in the world. Everything the US govt does, affects Canadian businesses, polictics and affairs. Everything from your new president to your damn unemployment rates. It all affects us. When you make a mistake..it affects me. When you voted Bush into power, it changed our outlook as well. When your dollar falls, it affects what I buy and sell. When your economy is laggin, it affects me because our trade value. So damn right my world revolves around America. But what you fail to understand is that when your world decides to take on a new meaning and new path... YOU FAIL to realize that it affects us and dont keep that in consideration.

One of the largest ammunitions depot for the US army is in Buffalo NY. More than half the guns on Toronto streets have been smuggled in from the US. Now I dont go around blaming the general american public for this as it works two ways (Canada seems to be smuggling a lot of drugs into the USA). The US govt has recognised this as a problem. Yet it does nothing. Infact because Guns are apart of the American culture (Again its inbredded into your bill of rights), they dont care. Im pretty sure the US govt would have a problem if Canada let a massive E producing factory by the border run without any problems. Especially if american youth were ODing on drugs left right and center. We both know damn well the US govt would shut that down pronto! But when American guns are killing Canadians because you wont enforce nor police the trafficing of these guns, no one cares. Why?
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Hell, you're even comparing an American to a terrorist. You've really lost your mind

You really are funny. Are you telling me that Americans cannot be terrorist?
Let me define to you what a Terrorist is. And by the way you dont have to be from the middle east to be a terorist like you probably think..

ter·ror·ist Audio Help /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-er-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.


Now according to the definition, YOU can be one for all I know.

2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others Americans dont do this with guns? (Im not pointing at all americans but this dude told me I couldnt compare an american to a terrorist). If you carry a gun you are frightening people.

Are you telling me Timothy Mcveigh was NOT a terrorsist and NOT american? By his actions he can be deemed a terrorist. Along with many others. Look at the actions of George Washington your very first president. Look at what he did. Read history. It can be taken as terrorism itself.

Im in no way calling him a terrorist or anyone else. But to sit there and tell me that im wrong to say terrorism doesnt exist outside of the middle east and NOT in american is just being dumb.

[mick4394]

You've been owned in your own thread. You need to just let this thing die.

The struggling only makes you sink quicker.

[Meet Lucas]

You prove my point every time.

The point that HUMANS make mistakes.

YOU made a mistake. What makes you think you wouldnt make a mistake with a gun? Or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, people make mistakes. What is your point?

A criminal breaks the law by firing a weapon at a person. That person is injured and the crime is comitted. So now you are justifying taking the law into your own hands to serve punishment for this criminal. And exactly why do we have police officers and the justice system if you are going to go out and serve and protect?? You arent the law. You are there to serve and protect society. If thats the case..then every citizen should have the right to serve law to anyone they feel since you can do it by shooting someone as well.

You consider that taking the law into your own hands or defending your life? If someone if firing at me, I'm not going to run and hide, and pray that an authority will show up before I get shot. You're completely fucking retarded if you think the Police will show before a shot is fired.

Go walk into the Eaton Center. Walk around with a gun hanging out of your pants. Lets see how people treat you. Lets see what people do. I guarentee you that you wont be walking around too much longer with a gun on you, because either someone would have called the cops or made sure you couldnt do anything with that gun.

In America, the country you don't live in, we can legally carry a gun, if we have a license. However, 99% of businesses do not allow a weapon in their building, even if you do have a permit.

Obviously you are either too stupid or to young to understand politics. Let me lay some facts on your virgin arse.

Canada is heavily affected by all US elections, politics and new. Why? Because Canada and US are the largest trading partners in the world. Everything the US govt does, affects Canadian businesses, polictics and affairs. Everything from your new president to your damn unemployment rates. It all affects us. When you make a mistake..it affects me. When you voted Bush into power, it changed our outlook as well. When your dollar falls, it affects what I buy and sell. When your economy is laggin, it affects me because our trade value. So damn right my world revolves around America. But what you fail to understand is that when your world decides to take on a new meaning and new path... YOU FAIL to realize that it affects us and dont keep that in consideration.

One of the largest ammunitions depot for the US army is in Buffalo NY. More than half the guns on Toronto streets have been smuggled in from the US. Now I dont go around blaming the general american public for this as it works two ways (Canada seems to be smuggling a lot of drugs into the USA). The US govt has recognised this as a problem. Yet it does nothing. Infact because Guns are apart of the American culture (Again its inbredded into your bill of rights), they dont care. Im pretty sure the US govt would have a problem if Canada let a massive E producing factory by the border run without any problems. Especially if american youth were ODing on drugs left right and center. We both know damn well the US govt would shut that down pronto! But when American guns are killing Canadians because you wont enforce nor police the trafficing of these guns, no one cares. Why?

America does care about gun control, and they work on a daily basis to resolve any and all issues. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work. Infact, a good majority of firearm felonies are commited with an illegally purchased weapon. So, even if they did completely outlaw guns in America, gun crimes would still happen.

You really are funny. Are you telling me that Americans cannot be terrorist?
Let me define to you what a Terrorist is. And by the way you dont have to be from the middle east to be a terorist like you probably think..

ter·ror·ist Audio Help /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-er-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.


Now according to the definition, YOU can be one for all I know.

2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others Americans dont do this with guns? (Im not pointing at all americans but this dude told me I couldnt compare an american to a terrorist). If you carry a gun you are frightening people.

Are you telling me Timothy Mcveigh was NOT a terrorsist and NOT american? By his actions he can be deemed a terrorist. Along with many others. Look at the actions of George Washington your very first president. Look at what he did. Read history. It can be taken as terrorism itself.

Im in no way calling him a terrorist or anyone else. But to sit there and tell me that im wrong to say terrorism doesnt exist outside of the middle east and NOT in american is just being dumb.

No, I wasn't saying American's can't be considered a terrorist, but by your basis, you believe that ALL American's that own a gun are a terrorist.

[orangejello727]

Meet Lucas;7526]Yes, people make mistakes. What is your point?



You consider that taking the law into your own hands or defending your life? If someone if firing at me, I'm not going to run and hide, and pray that an authority will show up before I get shot. You're completely fucking retarded if you think the Police will show before a shot is fired.

Yay!! Nothing like a shoot out in the middle of the street! Yep thats how we protect each other. By killing everyone off!! You are a serious fucking monkey to think a eye for an eye is the law. And since you want to act like a tough guy wannbe cop by pulling out your weapon.. You go right ahead be that tough guy unloading bullets into everything in site. I have no problems if you want to be a tough guy and kill yourself and other as you spray bullets like a mother fucker.

In America, the country you don't live in, we can legally carry a gun, if we have a license. However, 99% of businesses do not allow a weapon in their building, even if you do have a permit.



America does care about gun control, and they work on a daily basis to resolve any and all issues. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work. Infact, a good majority of firearm felonies are commited with an illegally purchased weapon. So, even if they did completely outlaw guns in America, gun crimes would still happen.

Stop using the same idotic rhetoric that if you outlawd guns, crime would still happen. Its pathetic and getting old. Its like saying if they stopped selling Mconalds Big Macs to fat people they would still get fatter because they would find something else to eat. OF COURSE THAT IS THE CASE FOR EVERYTHING. But to sit there and tell me that crime would go up because there were less guns on the streets is dumb. Just because a criminal owns a gun doesnt mean you have to go out and arm yourself. Like ive stated before.. There are more NON gun brandishing people in Canada and US then there are those who own a gun. These people live a safe life. So to tell me that you need a gun to feel safe when out in public is the only way to be..then ill suggest you wear a tin foil cap as well to stay safe from the UFOs as well.


No, I wasn't saying American's can't be considered a terrorist, but by your basis, you believe that ALL American's that own a gun are a terrorist.

Lets get something straight here. Any American who opens gun fire at any innocent person is a terrorist. That goes for all nations, colour and religion .

[orangejello727]

You've been owned in your own thread. You need to just let this thing die.

The struggling only makes you sink quicker.

Oh damn.. You are a threat to me!! I should take a defensive action and consider it self defense against someone that was about to harm me!! :lolup::lolup::lolup:

Yay for gun ownership and showing people whos boss!!

Edit: I have edited this to relieve any sense of threat.

[mick4394]

It's funny to me that the guy who's against gun rights is making the most violent comments I've ever seen on this forum.

[djdownhill]

This thread is fantastic. :lol:

Thanks for the :lol: orangejello727!

[orangejello727]

It's funny to me that the guy who's against gun rights is making the most violent comments I've ever seen on this forum.

Wait a minute. Werent you the one telling me that I have the right to defend myself with a gun? Now im playing the part of you who is so for owning a gun and being ahero by killing and shooting criminals via the right to bear arms!

Lets get something straight here. If you shoot someone defending yourself..its okay. But if I do it..im violent? LOL. I percieve you as a threat to myself and my family because you own a gun! Therefore I have the right defend myself by killing you!!

This is the exact anaolgy you and your lemmings have been using. Now that Im using it..you call me violent!!

Please. You need to figure out what side of the fence you are on.

[Himself™]

This is starting to get a little silly don't you guys think?
You know what you typed could be taken as a threat orangejello

[mick4394]

Wait a minute. Werent you the one telling me that I have the right to defend myself with a gun? Now im playing the part of you who is so for owning a gun and being ahero by killing and shooting criminals via the right to bear arms!

Lets get something straight here. If you shoot someone defending yourself..its okay. But if I do it..im violent? LOL. I percieve you as a threat to myself and my family because you own a gun! Therefore I have the right defend myself by killing you!!

This is the exact anaolgy you and your lemmings have been using. Now that Im using it..you call me violent!!

Please. You need to figure out what side of the fence you are on.

I don't think you've read a word that I've written. I've never said anything of the sort.

[fonebrkr]

Tasers don't kill people, people kill people ;)

Don't tase me bro..:eek:

[orangejello727]

This is starting to get a little silly don't you guys think?
You know what you typed could be taken as a threat orangejello

I apologize if thats the way it was taken. But to my only defense, This guy was telling me that everyone has the right to own a gun. Does that mean if he owns one he could possibly shoot and kill me.

For the record i dont own a gun therefore there is noway i could do anything.

I think he took it too far by the hostile name calling then put downs. All i have advocated throughout all this is that GUNS are not safe. Just like RPGs arent.

I have gone back and edited the comment to relieve any sort of tension or threat. I was just giving an example of what pro gun owners would do.

[orangejello727]

Have we finally come to the conclusion that GUNS dont do anything but create hostile situations and are meant to hurt human beings. Its a shame it took 7 pages for some people to realize this.

[mick4394]

I apologize if thats the way it was taken. But to my only defense, This guy was telling me that everyone has the right to own a gun. Does that mean if he owns one he could possibly shoot and kill me.

For the record i dont own a gun therefore there is noway i could do anything.

I think he took it too far by the hostile name calling then put downs. All i have advocated throughout all this is that GUNS are not safe. Just like RPGs arent.

Point out the hostile name calling and put downs. You're confusing me with someone else.

You've gone off the deep end, my friend.

[orangejello727]

Point out the hostile name calling and put downs. You're confusing me with someone else.

You've gone off the deep end, my friend.

You are trying very hard to add fuel to the fire. I wont fall for you stupid tricks to rile me up. Nice try!

I just beg you not to bring your violence to my peaceful community.

[mick4394]

Have we finally come to the conclusion that GUNS dont do anything but create hostile situations and are meant to hurt human beings. Its a shame it took 7 pages for some people to realize this.


How convenient. You're the only person in this thread who's expressed any hostility, and now you act as if you've proven your point.

[mick4394]

You are trying very hard to add fuel to the fire. I wont fall for you stupid tricks to rile me up. Nice try!

I just beg you not to bring your violence to my peaceful community.

Reread the thread, and point out the stuff that you've accused me of saying. Seriously, I think you're confusing me with someone else.

[orangejello727]

Reread the thread, and point out the stuff that you've accused me of saying. Seriously, I think you're confusing me with someone else.

I lumped you into the group that advocates the right to hate as a defense then spray bullets all of which is available through gun ownership.

At the end of the day there are 2 groups. One group will favor guns and killing in the name of defense vs those who are against guns and consider defense as a non offensive measure.


A gun just lets you take the law into your own hands. We dont need our society to be policed by anyone and everyone.

[Meet Lucas]

A gun just lets you take the law into your own hands. We dont need our society to be policed by anyone and everyone.

Well, we all don't live in your perfect little world.

[orangejello727]

Well, we all don't live in your perfect little world.

You are pretty naive to think a gun makes it all perfect! Or you think a Gun would help it.

[Meet Lucas]

You are pretty naive to think a gun makes it all perfect! Or you think a Gun would help it.

No, I'm saying you apparently think you live in a perfect world. Whereas, I don't think I do, therefore, sometimes a weapon is necessary.

[fractured]

sometimes a weapon is necessary.
Violence begets violence. It's like trying to put out a fire with fire. Sure, the world isn't perfect, but you won't create peace or safety through war. Killing someone (let's say, a murderer) doesn't kill violence in the world, it just kills one violent person and makes the killer similarly violent. I realize that diplomacy doesn't automatically make violent people less violent, but as the adage says an eye for an eye eventually leaves the world blind. I won't pretend to have the answer, but I don't think our current approach works either. I also don't think the world has become less violent, and if or when it does you will have to show some direct correlation between guns and the reduction of violence.

[mick4394]

I lumped you into the group that advocates the right to hate as a defense then spray bullets all of which is available through gun ownership.

At the end of the day there are 2 groups. One group will favor guns and killing in the name of defense vs those who are against guns and consider defense as a non offensive measure.


A gun just lets you take the law into your own hands. We dont need our society to be policed by anyone and everyone.

As they say... different strokes...

I don't own a gun, probably never will. However, I stand by our Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms wasn't thrown in there as an afterthought. The Founders knew what they were doing.

[orangejello727]

As they say... different strokes...

I don't own a gun, probably never will. However, I stand by our Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms wasn't thrown in there as an afterthought. The Founders knew what they were doing.


that was centuries ago. Times have changed and people have evolved. Laws have come into play. Just as people change, the laws need to keep up as well. We are talking about a bill of rights that was introduced when the only protection you had of land theft was to arm yourself. Today we have laws and people who will protect that.

Numerous laws and ways of life have changed. (Slavery, Public lynching, right to claim due to death, etc.). If these laws and ways of life can change, why can the right to bear arms?

[mick4394]

that was centuries ago. Times have changed and people have evolved. Laws have come into play. Just as people change, the laws need to keep up as well. We are talking about a bill of rights that was introduced when the only protection you had of land theft was to arm yourself. Today we have laws and people who will protect that.

Numerous laws and ways of life have changed. (Slavery, Public lynching, right to claim due to death, etc.). If these laws and ways of life can change, why can the right to bear arms?

Some things stick for a reason. Putting more power in the hands of government is not a good thing. Americans have a natural distrust of government, for good reason. You, as a Canadian, seem more than willing to hand over the keys.

It's amazing to me that you put so much trust in government. This excuse to hand over rights is, apparently, safety. What's the next one going to be, and how are you going to react when someone's going after something that matters to you?

Thankfully, your opinion on this issue doesn't matter.

[mick4394]

I would also point out that, our friend, Himself, has a thread demonstrating a perfect example of why the gun control zealots are so full of it.

If people want to get something done, they'll get it done. Maybe Canada should outlaw bricks.

http://www.slowfo.com/showthread.php?t=461

[fonebrkr]

hey, who reopenned the gun thread, I swear, go to work for a couple days and everything changes..:idk:

[orangejello727]

Some things stick for a reason. Putting more power in the hands of government is not a good thing. Americans have a natural distrust of government, for good reason. You, as a Canadian, seem more than willing to hand over the keys.

It's amazing to me that you put so much trust in government. This excuse to hand over rights is, apparently, safety. What's the next one going to be, and how are you going to react when someone's going after something that matters to you?

Thankfully, your opinion on this issue doesn't matter.

Not being able to own a gun wont stop my world. You had no problems agreeing to Home land security to tap your phone, watch your house and give you a cavity search over nothing? Dont tell me about losing rights. All I have to do is flash an orange light and youll hide under your bed!

[orangejello727]

I would also point out that, our friend, Himself, has a thread demonstrating a perfect example of why the gun control zealots are so full of it.

If people want to get something done, they'll get it done. Maybe Canada should outlaw bricks.

http://www.slowfo.com/showthread.php?t=461

A gun would have put his life in danger. Give the robber what he wants..its all insured. If you pull a gun..and he pulls a gun..You think everything will be okay? DUH....

A gun does not solve a problem. A brick vs a gun.. If he shot a man throwing a brick..im sure it would be manslaughter. There is a difference between pulling out a gun and filling a man full of lead because he spooks you!

This thread needs to be closed. You are just being anal because you want the right to kill anyone. If thats the case become a criminal.

[mick4394]

A gun would have put his life in danger. Give the robber what he wants..its all insured. If you pull a gun..and he pulls a gun..You think everything will be okay? DUH....

A gun does not solve a problem. A brick vs a gun.. If he shot a man throwing a brick..im sure it would be manslaughter. There is a difference between pulling out a gun and filling a man full of lead because he spooks you!

This thread needs to be closed. You are just being anal because you want the right to kill anyone. If thats the case become a criminal.

At this point, I don't know if you're being intentionally thick, or if you really are as stupid as your posts suggest.

[orangejello727]

At this point, I don't know if you're being intentionally thick, or if you really are as stupid as your posts suggest.

you are a serious nutjob. You keep pussyfooting on the issue of guns.

here is exactly what you wrote..

Originally Posted by mick4394
I would also point out that, our friend, Himself, has a thread demonstrating a perfect example of why the gun control zealots are so full of it.

If people want to get something done, they'll get it done. Maybe Canada should outlaw bricks.

http://www.slowfo.com/showthread.php?t=461


CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO USE EXACTLY HOW A GUN WOULD HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING IN HIMSELFS SITUATION?

Do you think if himself pull out a gun...that the brick wouldnt have been thrown?

Do you think putting a bullet in the god damn stupid thiefs head would have saved Himselfs life eventho today he is alive and not hurt?

What if the person was carrying a GUN himself?? then Himself pulls out his gun and suddenly the thieft himself pulls out his gun. You think no one is going to get hurt?

A guy came in his store. Threw a brick, then stole some cigs and cash. Even a cop wouldnt have shot the thief.

But someone like you would have? You think a GUN would have stopped anything? It would have just hurt someone.

And to answer your question. YOU are the stupid one. What next? You going to pull a gun on me because I called you stupid..then hide behind the right to bear arms as an excuse as to why you became trigger happy?

You are in need of a serious reality check. THinking that GUNS saves lives. Go talk to a cop before you start acting smart. Let him tell you how safe guns are. And while you are at it.. Ask him if he uses his gun to protect people /himself or he uses a gun as an offensive weapon to put someone down. Only retards like you think that a gun is used to defend.

[Katya]

Holy paranoia up in this thread.

Someone is going to give himself a heart attack in a few years . . .

[Himself™]

Someone is going to give himself a heart attack in a few years . . .

It will probably some brick throwing punk too, after I lose my ninjaness due to old age! Maybe I should take up yoga

[orangejello727]

It will probably some brick throwing punk too, after I lose my ninjaness due to old age! Maybe I should take up yoga

Since you were apart of the robbery, can I ask you your take on this?

Would you have wanted a gun by your side?
Would that gun have helped you?
Would you have shot that person?
If you shot that person do you feel that you wouldnt have been penalized by our justice system?
If the thief had a gun and you had a gun would you have felt safer?
Would a gun and shooting someone point blank be worth the sacrifice over a few packs of cigs and a couple of bucks which is insured?

[Meet Lucas]

A gun would have put his life in danger. Give the robber what he wants..its all insured. If you pull a gun..and he pulls a gun..You think everything will be okay? DUH....

A gun does not solve a problem. A brick vs a gun.. If he shot a man throwing a brick..im sure it would be manslaughter. There is a difference between pulling out a gun and filling a man full of lead because he spooks you!

This thread needs to be closed. You are just being anal because you want the right to kill anyone. If thats the case become a criminal.

Can we turn this whole situation around? If the thief pulled the gun first, it would've been a whole new situation. Once again, I'd rather be fair armed, than not armed at all. I'll have as much of a chance in the situation as the thief that pulled the gun first.

But, then again, you'd probably try and talk them out of hurting you. :rolleyes:

The employee with a gun would've made the brick wielding thief probably back up and leave, instead of continuing his quest to steal shit.

[orangejello727]

Can we turn this whole situation around? If the thief pulled the gun first, it would've been a whole new situation. Once again, I'd rather be fair armed, than not armed at all. I'll have as much of a chance in the situation as the thief that pulled the gun first.

But, then again, you'd probably try and talk them out of hurting you. :rolleyes:

The employee with a gun would've made the brick wielding thief probably back up and leave, instead of continuing his quest to steal shit.

The guy would have thrown the brick no matter what. He walked in and threw the brick. You think he would stop in motion or Hiimself would have time to pull off ninja moves to forsee the future?? Get real.

The brick would be thrown. Then what? Himself pulls a fucking gun? Then what? Shoot the guy? or scare him off? Good now he leaves. He comes back later and shoots himself. Good job!!

You cant defend yourself against a man with a gun if you dont know its coming. IF he wants..he'll rip a bullet into your head before you see it coming. How does a gun help you now? You're already dead.

You have to be stupid to think a gun can save your lfie if the other person already has the intentions to kill you. Its not as if they walk in the store and show their gun before they kill you. If they want you dead..they walk in and put a bullet in your head. Nothing u can do about it.

If a criminal comes in and tells you have a gun..then you know that his intentions are not to use it unless it comes to that. Obvious because he would have just used it.

[fonebrkr]

Ok, I absolutely did NOT agree to a cavity search !!

The whole example of himself actually does point out the problem, I can't speak for himself, but in the same situation, I would have shot. Then I probably would be at a minimum looking at a wrongful death suit from the punk's family. There really are 2 sides of this, but for some Reason noone can discuss it without getting all emo'd out.

[Himself™]

Since you were apart of the robbery, can I ask you your take on this?

Would you have wanted a gun by your side?

Maybe, then again I have a blade on me at all times as well, and there was no cause to pull that, let alone a gun.

Would that gun have helped you?

Again, maybe, maybe not. It would have scared the kid off yes but then again, I would bet $s that a little aggression and non compliance on my part would have done so as well.

Would you have shot that person?

If I felt I was in actual danger of being attacked after the initial throw and the person was beyond reason, I would have shot to wound, such as leg, arm, shoulder etc. Me first, him second. Same line of thinking he was following at the time, if he was thinking much at all.

If you shot that person do you feel that you wouldnt have been penalized by our justice system?
We both know I would have been charged, at the very least with possession of a firearm without a permit and possession of a prohibited firearm. It would be pointless bringing a registered hunting rifle to work, by time I got it out he would be long gone or would have pulled his unregistered 9mm and filled me with lead. ;)

If the thief had a gun and you had a gun would you have felt safer?
Not in particular, as soon as there are firearms involved, the chance of death or injury increases exponentially.

Would a gun and shooting someone point blank be worth the sacrifice over a few packs of cigs and a couple of bucks which is insured?
Of course not, neither would have pulling my blade and throwing it at his face. If I were in danger of further injury, or he started demanded my personal belongings and hard earned $s, things would have turned out different of course, but who knows in whos favour?

[orangejello727]

Ok, I absolutely did NOT agree to a cavity search !!

The whole example of himself actually does point out the problem, I can't speak for himself, but in the same situation, I would have shot. Then I probably would be at a minimum looking at a wrongful death suit from the punk's family. There really are 2 sides of this, but for some Reason noone can discuss it without getting all emo'd out.


Just how quick would you been able to unholster and shoot if the thief came in firing? In most cases youd be shot before you knew it. He would have walked in.. said Hi.. And put a bullet in your head. You would have never seen it coming. So how does that gun even help you?

[orangejello727]

Maybe, then again I have a blade on me at all times as well, and there was no cause to pull that, let alone a gun.

Again, maybe, maybe not. It would have scared the kid off yes but then again, I would bet $s that a little aggression and non compliance on my part would have done so as well.

If I felt I was in actual danger of being attacked after the initial throw and the person was beyond reason, I would have shot to wound, such as leg, arm, shoulder etc. Me first, him second. Same line of thinking he was following at the time, if he was thinking much at all.

We both know I would have been charged, at the very least with possession of a firearm without a permit and possession of a prohibited firearm. It would be pointless bringing a registered hunting rifle to work, by time I got it out he would be long gone or would have pulled his unregistered 9mm and filled me with lead. ;)

Not in particular, as soon as there are firearms involved, the chance of death or injury increases exponentially.

Of course not, neither would have pulling my blade and throwing it at his face. If I were in danger of further injury, or he started demanded my personal belongings and hard earned $s, things would have turned out different of course, but who knows in whos favour?


Thanks himself. You were in that position and I totally agree with your answers.

My whole point to a gun being used to defend yourself never works. Or should I say rarely works. If a person wants to shoot you, he will. Its not as if they say "Ive got a gun..Ill give you 20 seconds to find yours and we'll have a shootout". They come in and start shooting. There is no way your gun is going to save you if he hits you first.

Thanks for the answers.

[fonebrkr]

Just how quick would you been able to unholster and shoot if the thief came in firing? In most cases youd be shot before you knew it. He would have walked in.. said Hi.. And put a bullet in your head. You would have never seen it coming. So how does that gun even help you?



Himself thinks of,, himself as a ninja, ha, this fat boy can come up with a burst of speed....

If you read my post, you would have seen that I do somewhat see what you are saying,,,,, I don't carry, because I don't want to be faced with that situation, however, I will at least have the option to double tap someone in the head breaking into my house, that's my right.
Guns are a problem, but gun control is impossible. The good guys lose the guns, the bad guys don't. Ya I could catch one in the head, but mebbe not, that's the beauty of the good old USA.
I didn't give up any rights, had some taken by the on his way out of office moron that played on a country full of sheeple's fear.